Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The "pristine" Lyman sight appears to be of post Colt TSMG production. The seller's pics of oiler and vertical grip are not conclusive as to origin. What happened to all the other parts of this "new condition" MODEL 1921 whose receiver was turned into a paperweight? "Colt's Model 1921 Thompson Sub-MachineGun Long Range Rear Sight, Original Nickel oiler and Vertical Forearm. These items were removed from a Colt's Model 1921 that was in new condition before it was torch cut. The rear sight is in pristine condition." http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=295223303 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The "pristine" Lyman sight appears to be of post Colt TSMG production. The seller's pics of oiler and vertical grip are not conclusive as to origin. What happened to all the other parts of this "new condition" MODEL 1921 whose receiver was turned into a paperweight? "Colt's Model 1921 Thompson Sub-MachineGun Long Range Rear Sight, Original Nickel oiler and Vertical Forearm. These items were removed from a Colt's Model 1921 that was in new condition before it was torch cut. The rear sight is in pristine condition." http://www.gunbroker...?Item=295223303 Arthur,I sent a message to seller and ask the big question. If I get an answer I'll let you know.How do you tell the difference between a Lyman sight made in 1920 vs a 1940 Lyman???Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roertmcw Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Later this year there a lot of quetions about the oliers that were done at IMA. Can you tell if this oiler is 'real' or not? Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 The "pristine" Lyman sight appears to be of post Colt TSMG production. The seller's pics of oiler and vertical grip are not conclusive as to origin. What happened to all the other parts of this "new condition" MODEL 1921 whose receiver was turned into a paperweight? "Colt's Model 1921 Thompson Sub-MachineGun Long Range Rear Sight, Original Nickel oiler and Vertical Forearm. These items were removed from a Colt's Model 1921 that was in new condition before it was torch cut. The rear sight is in pristine condition." http://www.gunbroker...?Item=295223303 Arthur,I sent a message to seller and ask the big question. If I get an answer I'll let you know.How do you tell the difference between a Lyman sight made in 1920 vs a 1940 Lyman???Jim C In a side by side comparison there are some subtle differences. The Lyman company engraving is a little sharper on the Colt sights and of course the finish is more polished than the WWII variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Well, I did buy a 1928 Navy 2pc actuator from this guy in a parts kit... but generally i could not say either what you are looking at. Curious to hear the answer... but the price seems steep to take the chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I think the easiest way to ID the Colt sight vs. the M1928A1 sight is that theColt sight will have a nice, no-machining-marks, finish with the disctinctive royalblue color. The inside of the base which is covered when the ladder is closedis very smooth - again - no machining marks. The round surface that has theLyman engraving will be very smooth and polished like the rest of the sight andgun, which makes the engraving easier to read. So basically a M1921 sight will look better than a M1928A1 sight in every way.It should not even be close. Unfortunately the photos with this auction are not clear enough to tell whichsight it is - the seller knows this. If I get a chance I will post some photos of M1921vs. M1928A1 sight. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) The "U.S.A." mark is spaced wider on the Colt production era Lyman sights than on the post era versions. tom-n-mick Gunbroker Lyman http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/ColtTSMGLymanmaybecrop.png Colt Lyman http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/ColtTSMG1684top.jpg Colt Lyman http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/Colt21partskit045crop.jpg Colt Lyman http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/Polythemus/IMAG0055.jpg Edited July 11, 2012 by Arthur Fliegenheimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Well Arthur you beat me to it but here are my comparison photos: M1921 Colt on top, M1928A1 on bottom: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2894.jpg M1921 Colt: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2898.jpg M1928A1: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f392/reconbob/IMG_2899.jpg Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piep Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 What is the going market value of a Colt and the value of the 40's Lyman sight?How is the market on them now?I'm running down a lead on two, don't think there Colt but will find out. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Listed on their website as "sold". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Listed on their website as "sold". Could be that when they saw a bidder for it on Gunbroker they consider it sold whether that person is out bid or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Listed on their website as "sold".That's because it it at auction I would think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 reconbob and arthur, Nice photos of the differences in the sights. That's what I meant by the crisper engraving on the Colt sght, but as Bob correctly pointed out, probably due to the polishing and nicer finish. Anyway, good job you guys, pretty easy to tell the difference side by side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newtommygunner Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 (edited) Excellent photos! Thanks for the importent differences. Still available on GB with a couple of days left on bidding. Just one bidder so far. Edited July 11, 2012 by newtommygunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roertmcw Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I have a bridge for sale……………………… Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I have a bridge for sale……………………… RobertWhat kind of condition... I have a river to cross... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Not that long ago Sarco was selling sights (obviously GI) for $149.99 ("ocras" on auction sites). I have not seen them lately, but I can't imagine they are worth much more than that now. As far as 1921 sights - no idea. But surely the Winchester Way package is waaaaay overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3BigDaddy Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Not that long ago Sarco was selling sights (obviously GI) for $149.99 ("ocras" on auction sites). I have not seen them lately, but I can't imagine they are worth much more than that now. As far as 1921 sights - no idea. But surely the Winchester Way package is waaaaay overpriced.How long is not so long ago? That sounds on the cheep side to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgdave Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Oh darn you guys figured out that OCRAS is Sarco spelled backwords I told them to come up with something else Anyhow we still offer original Lyman rear sights for $174.95 I would sell you 2 for $300 if you want. Just call and ask for me We had to stop on Ebay because they don;t really like the MG stuff.Thanks Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted July 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Anyhow we still offer original Lyman rear sights for $174.95.Thanks Dave That would be original post Colt TSMG production era Lyman sights, yes? Is tom-n-mick of Gunbroker.com one of your customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgdave Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Yes correct 40's era Lyman sights.No idea about this tom-n-mick guy we have hundreds of these and have sold hundreds to many different people. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Thanks for the price update Dave. I guess I was a bit dated now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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